An Interview with Kimberly Jensen

Kimberly Jensen is professor of History and Gender Studies at Western Oregon University where she teaches courses in United States history, the history of health, medicine and gender, and autobiography, biography and memoir in American history. Jensen has a Ph.D. from the University of Iowa and has published three books and several scholarly articles. Her latest book is Oregon’s Doctor to the World: Esther Pohl Lovejoy and a Life in Activism, published by the University of Washington Press. It’s the biography of the Oregon doctor who became a world-renowned public health activist and leader in medical relief efforts.

Kimberly Jensen is also the author of Mobilizing Minerva: American Women in the First World War (Urbana: University of Illinois Press, 2008) and, with Erika Kuhlman, co-editor of Women and Transnational Activism in Historical Perspective (Leiden: Republic of Letters, 2010).

We sat down to talk about Oregon’s Doctor to the World.

EB: I had not heard of Esther Pohl Lovejoy. But reading your book I see that she’s as important a figure as Jane Addams in Chicago. Could you tell our readers a little bit about her?

KJ: She was born in 1869 in the logging community of Seabeck, Washington Territory and moved with her family to Portland in 1882. A daughter of a laboring family, she worked her way through the University of Oregon Medical Department (now OHSU) by clerking in department stores and in 1894 was the second woman to graduate from the medical school. She was active in the Oregon woman suffrage movement and held appointed office as Portland’s city health officer from 1907 to 1909, the first woman to hold such a post in a major U.S. city. She helped to organize U.S. medical women for service in France in the First World War in 1917-1918 and found women doctors from other nations there who shared many of her experiences and concerns for women. As a result, Lovejoy was an organizer and the first president of the Medical Women’s International Association in 1919 to bring medical women together for effective action. She also chaired the international medical humanitarian relief organization the American Women’s Hospitals from 1919 until shortly before her death in 1967. The AWH was a precursor to groups like Doctors Without Borders but with a focus on supporting and empowering women. Both the MWIA and the AWH continue today. Lovejoy was the first woman in Oregon to campaign in a general election for U.S. Congress, in Oregon’s Third District in 1920. She was the author of four books, including the comprehensive history Women Doctors of the World published by MacMillan in 1957.

EB: How did you get interested in Lovejoy’s life and career?

KJ: My first book, Mobilizing Minerva: American Women in the First World War, addressed three groups of women – doctors, nurses, and women-at-arms – who claimed a more complete female citizenship through wartime service and who also challenged violence against women in wartime and in the institution of the military. Esther Lovejoy was a small but significant part of that study because of her medical work in France during the war and as a leader among women physicians. By the time I was completing that project I had moved to Oregon to teach, and I learned that Lovejoy’s papers had been donated to the Historical Collections & Archives at the Oregon Health & Science University not long before. I hoped that there might be enough material for a biography, for by that time I knew enough about her that I was eager to know more about what shaped her activism and what she did before and after the First World War. The strength of that collection at OHSU, combined with many other archival collections and significant coverage of her life and work in newspapers and medical journals, led me on a research and writing journey that culminated in her biography.

EB: Esther Pohl Lovejoy lived to be almost 100—she was born in 1869 and died in 1967—and she worked all over the world. What was involved in researching someone with such a long life and wide public impact?

KJ: It was definitely a long-term project. I needed to know about Lovejoy’s birthplace in the logging community of Seabeck, Washington Territory, about Portland from the 1890s to the 1920s, medical women’s history, the history of woman suffrage and women’s rights movements, medical humanitarian relief, transnational women’s activism, the First and Second World Wars, women office holders and candidates for office, women’s organizations, and international politics. Research is a process of discovery that, like any journey, requires advance preparation, travel, stamina, and sharing what one has learned. I traveled from archives in Oregon and Washington to Philadelphia, Washington, D.C., and London and visited the Paris settlement house where she lived and worked during the First World War. Historians cannot make their journey without archivists who welcome us and suggest new leads and sources that we did not know existed. They even celebrate with us when we make those incredible discoveries. I did my work as historic newspapers began to be digitized, but I conducted much of it sitting in front of a microfilm reader finding the hidden treasures in the midst of pages and pages of other materials.

EB: What do you think shaped her views about health and social justice?

KJ: Lovejoy’s experiences as a physician and public health activist and city health officer in Portland demonstrated that health depended on access to health care, but also to education, a living wage, safe housing, clean milk and pure food, and freedom from violence. Poverty and inequality caused disease just as much as physical illness. She believed that the state and citizens were partners in creating civic health. This was the foundation for her work for votes for women because she knew that women needed the power of the vote to enact policies for healthy communities. When she was city health officer and the bubonic plague threatened Portland in 1907-1908 the male city council and business community did not hesitate to provide funding for prevention to save Portland’s economy. That worked and there were no cases of plague in Portland. But at the same time voteless women campaigning for pure milk in the city when children were dying (including her own son Freddie in 1908) could not get political leaders to act for change. This convinced her that women needed to be voters, office holders, and policy makers to shape healthy and just communities. Lovejoy worked with African American clubwomen in Portland and crossed other lines of class and ethnicity in her suffrage work. She continued this coalition building across groups in her work abroad. In her presidential address to the Medical Women’s International Association in 1922 she expanded the idea of civic health she had forged in her Portland years to embrace a program of international health. This she defined as the prevention of disease by ending war and social and economic inequalities across the globe. This was a big plan, but she believed that women were at the center of it and could achieve it by working together and for one another.

EB: You describe her as a believer in feminist, transnational organization and in constructive resistance. What was involved in those beliefs? Could you unpack them just a bit?

KJ: In 1926 a journalist described Lovejoy’s activism as constructive resistance and Lovejoy used this phrase to describe her work. She defined constructive resistance as the ability to take effective action against unjust power – working for votes for women, challenging city council members to take action to make Portland a safe and healthy city for all its residents, campaigning on a reform ticket for congress, supporting refugees through medical humanitarian relief, organizing women globally for international health and an end to war. She identified and resisted unjust power by taking constructive action. Her feminist transnational activism was based on the view that women working together above and across national boundaries could do things that nation states or international organizations could not do for women’s health, empowerment, and equality. And in turn that would make all communities safer and healthier and prevent conflict, war, and disease.

EB: The description of the election of 1920 was really interesting to me. Were the politics of that time just as contentious as today’s?

KJ: Oh yes! The 1920 election was the first national election after the World War. Supporters of progressive reform and peace grappled with conservative and reactionary groups who feared that activism by workers, women, and Americans of color to gain equality would unleash a socialist revolution in the United States. Lovejoy received the endorsement of the Democratic, Progressive, Labor, and Prohibition parties for her campaign for U.S. Congress in Oregon’s Third District that year. Her opponent was C.N. McArthur, the conservative Republican incumbent. Members of the Lovejoy for Congress Club emphasized that this was a battle between the people and corporate interests. They named McArthur a tool of those interests and an ineffective MAWSH (Might as Well Stay Home) member of congress in their campaign ads. The social media of their day included vivid newspaper advertisements, campaign cards by the tens of thousands, and banners and signs across the streets and in storefronts of the district. As the election approached Lovejoy was making six speeches a day to workers on their lunch hour, to women’s groups including African American clubwomen, and to other labor, civic, and political organizations. She had just published her first book, The House of the Good Neighbor, about her experiences in wartime France with a call for peace and transnational cooperation. Her opponents convinced some managers to remove it from shelves in local bookstores and department store displays, calling it Bolshevik propaganda. Lovejoy was a tireless campaigner who understood the importance of coalition building and popular media to win elections, something she had learned in her votes for women work. She garnered an impressive 44 percent of the vote when the election was generally a Republican landslide across the nation.

EB: Lovejoy gave a speech in called “woman’s big job.” What did she mean by that?

KJ: She gave the radio speech in 1928, the year that the United States and France signed the Kellogg-Briand Pact, or the Pact of Paris, that renounced the use of war to resolve conflict, an agreement eventually signed by fifty other nations. Lovejoy believed that women’s social and cultural experiences led them to value peace and health in their communities and across the globe. After the horrors of the First World War more women had achieved the vote and held political office, and they were now working to end war. She told her listeners: “the passion for permanent peace moving the world at the present time is due, in large measure, to the collective moral influence of women in politics . . . For ten years, in pulpits, women’s clubs, conferences, and elsewhere, the talking, writing, and general agitation necessary to produce the Pact of Paris has been going on in every city, town, and hamlet throughout the civilized world. Why work the churn after the butter has come?” (Oregon’s Doctor to the World, 190-91). She also maintained that in order to keep world peace women had a responsibility to use their civic power to maintain social justice – fostering healthy communities and an end to poverty, supporting education and equality.

EB: Was Lovejoy representative of women who came of age in the Progressive Era?

KJ: The Progressive Era was a time of many reform movements and a variety of challenges to the maturing industrial state and there was a tension between social reform and social control. So there were many strands of Progressivism. I think she was representative of many women who wanted to change their communities for the better and worked with others to make that happen. Knowing more about Lovejoy and her work contributes to placing Portland on the map as a key Progressive Era city. Lovejoy also took her local knowledge and experience to a transnational arena for public health after 1920, something that other women did for woman suffrage, labor, and health activism. If we only keep our focus on the United States, we miss this broader movement for progressive reform after the First World War.

EB: If she were alive today, what do you suppose she would be doing?

KJ: I think she would be working with a Non-Governmental Organization that empowers women to build coalitions to help one another achieve social justice and international health. Her goals have been adopted by many organizations including the United Nations Conferences on Women. When Lovejoy lost the 1920 Oregon congressional election she told supporters she would like to run for office again, but her transnational organizing took precedence thereafter. Perhaps she would consider a run for the White House if she were alive today.

EB: You teach memoir and autobiographical writing. What did you think of Lovejoy’s as a writer?

KJ: Lovejoy first developed her communication skills as a public speaker in the woman suffrage movement, as Portland city health officer, and as a congressional candidate. She learned to tell pithy and humorous stories to get the attention of her audience, to provide specific data to educate her listeners and convince them to act, and to stay on point and make her case quickly. She honed these skills in newspaper articles, letters to newspaper editors, interviews and reports. Then she moved to book-length histories and an unpublished autobiography. Her voice and style were remarkably constant across these different forms of expression. She used humor, memorable stories that championed the underdog, and irony to direct challenges to those in power and toward institutions and bureaucracies that limited women’s equality.

EB: Thanks for talking with us.

KJ: You’re very welcome. Thank you for the invitation.

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An Interview with Mike Madrid


San Franciscan Mike Madrid is former advertising executive, the author of The Supergirls: Fashion, Feminism, Fantasy, and the History of Comic Book Heroines, which explored comic superheroines like wonder Woman, Batwoman, Elektra, Storm and the She-Hulk, and Madrid is a life-long comics fan and student of popular culture and was featured in the documentary “Wonder Women! The Untold Story of American Superheroines.” His latest book, Divas, Dames & Daredevils: Lost Heroines of Golden Age Comics, brings back heroines like Madame Strange, Lady Satan, Betty Bates–Lady at Law, Maureen Marine, Marga the Panther Woman, Spider Queen and Spider Widow, reproducing dozens of actual stories and adding his own insightful commentary. The book was recently released from Exterminating Angel Press.

Check out Mike Madrid’s work at heaven4heroes.com. And if you are in the Portland area on October 21, he’ll be appearing at Powell’s Books on Hawthorne at 7:30 PM. We recently sat down for an interview.

EB: I was fascinated to learn of some of these superheroines, many of whom are quite unusual: Pussy Katnip, for example, seems to live in an alternate reality of anthropomorphized animals. Mother Hubbard is an old woman who fights crime. Any ideas why the range of comics was so diverse?

MM: Most of the stories features in Divas, Dames & Daredevils come from the very early years of comic books, when creators were trying out different concepts to see what would attract readers. The medium was so new, so there was an opportunity to experiment with rather wild ideas like an old lady crime fighter. After World War II many of these more unique characters disappeared.

EB: What caused them to be replaced by much more timid characters in the 1960s?

MM: In the mid 50s there were allegations that comics were corrupting young readers. Comic book publishers developed the Comic Code Authority to clean up comics and make them more wholesome. Unfortunately in our society there is idea that sexuality and independence are intertwined. Adventurous female characters were somehow seen as too risqué. So, most 50s and 60s comic books presented readers with a message that a woman’s path in life was to be a wife and mother.

EB: How did you select the heroines and the stories to be included in Divas, Dames, and Daredevils?

MM: I tried to choose strong, unique heroines that most modern comics fans probably wouldn’t have ever heard of. I also wanted to feature female heroes that were different from what we’ve seen in comics over the past 50 years. Many of these women are surprisingly progressive, and that’s something I think a modern audience will find interesting.

EB: Do you see some of these heroines being the antecedents of modern-day heroes and heroines—Spiderman, for example?

MM: Some of the heroines I feature in the book are certainly similar to characters that followed in later years. The Spider Queen wears bracelets that shoot webs much like Spider-Man would use twenty years later. Marga the Panther Woman has razor sharp claws like Wolverine. Sadly the independent spirit that many of these early heroines had would not be seen in again in comics for three decades or more.

EB: How did you get interested in comics history and feminism?

MM: I loved comic books as a kid, and I wanted to learn as much as I could about them. That led me to start checking out books on comic history from my local library. This was in the early 70s, when Women’s Lib was making big headlines. I may not have known exactly what feminism was at a young age, but I know I didn’t understand why women in comics were not allowed to be as strong as men.

EB: It seems to me, anecdotally at least, that more women and girls are reading and creating comics today than when I was growing up. What do you think?


MM:I think that’s the perception, but not necessarily the reality. In Divas, Dames & Daredevils I use excerpts from letters written by female comic book readers in the 1940s. They were just as opinionated and vocal as today’s female comic book fans are. I think nowadays there is less of a stigma about females reading comic books, so they can be more open about it. But female comic book fans have always been there.

EB: If you were going to invent a superheroine, who would she be?

MM: I don’t have a specific idea of what powers she would have, but as far as personality she would be a woman who was smart, fearless, and had a good sense of humor. For me that’s a winning combination.

EB: What’s your next project?

MM: I’m interested in doing a companion book to Divas, Dames & Daredevils focusing on evil characters. And we’re looking at coming out with some eBook collections of more stories of these early comic book heroines from Exterminating Angel Press.

EB: Some of the artists were women themselves: Barbara Hall, Fran Hopper, and Claire Moe—what have you learned about them?

MM: There were a number of female artists working during 1940s. At that time there were more opportunities for these women because many male artists were fighting in WWII. Unfortunately those opportunities dried up when the men returned home. My friend Trina Robbins is the expert on women artists in comic books. Anyone interested in learning more on this subject should check her book Pretty In Ink: North American Women Cartoonists 1896-2013.

EB: What are the best research sources for someone interested in comics history?

MM: There is a wealth of information on comic book history available now, from books and websites to documentary films and college courses. Anyone interested in the subject just needs to pick a place to start. Invariably that will lead to more information sources, which is part of the fun.

EB: What should the history of comics do, in your opinion?

MM: A good comic book history should give the reader information, but also inspire that reader to want to learn more. That is what the books that I read growing up did for me. I also think a good history should look beyond comics to see how cultural factors shaped the medium throughout various eras.

EB: You are also the creative director at Exterminating Angel Press. What does that involve?

MM: I’m responsible for the visual design and image of the Exterminating Angel Press books. It’s been a fun creative journey for me developing and evolving the look of the press over the past four years.

EB: Thanks for talking with us?

MM: It’s been my pleasure. Thank you.

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Wordstock 2013


WORDSTOCK—Portland’s Festival of Words–is about stories and books and writing. I’ve never been able to break away before, but this term’s sabbatical allowed me to drive up to Portland to take in the readings, panels, workshops, and hundred or so exhibits by authors, publishers, cultural non-profits and businesses. I was able to catch up with the folks at Literary Arts, the Friends of William Stafford, Oregon Humanities, Fishtrap, the Oregon Cultural Trust, and the Northwest Writers and Publishers Association.

Our friends at Indigo Editing, who sponsor the Sledgehammer Writing contest, highlighted some of the authors they’ve worked with. And there was a slew of MFA programs: the University of Oregon, OSU, OSU–Cascades, Pacific University, Portland State and more. Presses were there: Copper Canyon, OSU, Black Heron, Chin Music Press, Ooligan Press, Oak Trees Press, Tin House, Nestucca Spit Press, and The University of Hell Press (Who knew?) A few east coasters even made the trek: MIT Press and the New School and the New York Times showed up.

Ashland was represented by Tod Davies’s Exterminating Angel Press and Michel Holstein’s Madrona Press (complete with bookbot). The publishers were doing a brisk business, selling books, consulting with writers, and checking out the industry trends. The author booths looked a little lonelier, but I got some great ideas on booth logistics and for books I want to read, like Breakfast: A History by Heather Arndt Anderson.

Besides catching up with Oregon publishers, I went to panels on humor in writing (why not), historical detail, audiobooks, and magazine writing, and heard as many readings and Q&A’s as I could fit in, including ones from T. C. Boyle, Nicholson Baker, the Portland State duo of Paul Collins and Diana Abu-Jabar, the always hilarious Chelsea Cain, Eugene’s Barbara Corrado Pope (author of The Missing Italian Girl), Jacob Tomsky (Heads and Beds), and Peter Ames Carlin (Bruce).

The convention center was also hosting the Portland Retro Gaming Expo, which I initially walked into by mistake. My first thought was that Wordstock was really going to be weird. Oh, and the Portland Marathoners were out and about too, as well as cheesemakers at The Wedge, the Hops Festival, and the Greek Festival.

The next Wordstock will be in a new venue and date—at Portland State University (rather than the Oregon Convention Center) and in spring of 2015, skipping 2014 altogether.

En route to Wordstock, we also stopped off for a tour of Igram Books Distributors, courtesy of Robin Conrad. Wow. Ingram handles distribution for some 300,000 book titles in the west and in housed in a two-story warehouse/shipping facility about the size of a couple of COSTCOs. We saw pallets and pallets full of books, staff adding library checkout info, folks finding, sorting, packing, shrink wrapping, boxing, and even a station for gift wrapped drop shipments for Amazon and others. Ingram is the largest wholesale distrubtor of trade books in the world and the Roseburg facilty is a major part of that. It’s a great Oregon business.

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An Interview with Rich Wandschneider

Rich Wandschneider and Alvin Josephy

After a five-year stint in the Peace Corps, Rich Wandschneider came to Wallowa Country in 1971, as a community development agent with the OSU Extension Service. In 1976, he opened the Bookloft bookstore in Enterprise and in 1988, with help from historian Alvin Josephy and Kim Stafford at Lewis & Clark College, he founded Fishtrap Inc. to promote “clear thinking and good writing in and about the West,” and served as its executive director until 2008. He has written for the Oregonian, High Country News, Portland Magazine, and High Desert Journal and contributed a regular column to the Wallowa County Chieftain. He currently serves as the director of the Josephy Library of Western History and Culture in Joseph, Oregon.

EB: You are the director of the new Jospehy Library. What’s in the library collection?

RW: Alvin Josephy left his papers to the Knight Library in Eugene–sent them boxes of materials over the years. We–the new Josephy Library of Western History and Culture–split his extensive home libraries, the one in Greenwich, Ct., and the one here in Joseph, Oregon, with the new National Museum of the American Indian in Washington D.C. Alvin was its founding board chair.

The books and the monographs, and the manuscripts that people sent him for comments and blurbs, are history, anthropology, archeology, ecology; early explorations, fur trade, missionaries’ accounts, art books, memoirs and fiction, most having to do with indigenous Americans and most having to do with what we now call the American West. He had a special interest in the fur trade, which he felt had enormous impacts on the development of the West and what happened to tribal people. Also treaties, mining, settlement, and wars.

Oh–I should stop to say that we have most of what Alvin published himself, including numerous articles in academic journals, history “buff” publications like the New York Westerners Brand Book, and popular magazines such as Audubon, NYT Sunday Magazine, and Life. He wrote for big and small–Life and Idaho Yesterdays, and edited American Heritage Magazine himself for many years. In the 1970s he found environmental issues through his Indian friends, and he wrote several stinging pieces for Audubon–on the Garrison Dam in North Dakota, Black Mesa and Peabody Coal in the Southwest, etc. He also edited books for American Heritage, and contributed to other books on Indian history, Wounded Knee, fur man David Thompson, and others. I don’t think we have all of it–especially the hundreds of dispatches from Guam and Iwo and Guadalcanal during the War, but we are working on this.

Josephy subscribed to many journals–from Oregon Historical Quarterly to Montana History, so we have significant runs of many journals. And individual copies of obscure ones, like the Okanogen (Canada) Historical Society.

Finally, there are books and articles that have been donated by others and that I have accumulated over the years that deal with Western history and Indian affairs. Fiction too by the way!

EB: How did your mentor Alvin Josephy find his way to Oregon from New York? And how did you meet the Josephys?

RW: Alvin was a Marine Journalist in the Pacific in World War II, and after the War tried his hand at screen writing in Hollywood. He wrote for newspapers and veterans’ publications at the same time, and in 1951 was hired as an editor at Time. While at Time, where he did monthly photo features among other things, he was all set to do a major piece on Utah–when Henry Luce’s plane went down in Idaho and Idahoans treated him right. Luce told Josephy to “hold Utah and do Idaho.” In Idaho, he met the Nez Perce–and that changed his life. During his 12 years of research for The Nez Perce Indians and the Opening of the Northwest, he found the home country of the famous chiefs Joseph–elder and younger, eventually bought a small “ranch” here, and the family became bi-coastal. I met him at a summer meeting dealing with a local day camp–and got to know him when I opened the Bookloft in 1976. My store was always his first stop in town–he wanted to know about all of the new little books and pamphlets relating to local history. And that all led to the founding of Fishtrap in 1988, etc etc.

EB: You’ve had a varied career as a writer, organizer, and literary entrepreneur. Tell us about your other current projects?

RW: Well–good thing we waited for a week to do this. As of this week, or really beginning Monday, September 30, I am teaching a class for Oregon State University Ag Dept on the Eastern Oregon U campus. The class is Ecosystems and Pacific Northwest Tribes.

And Marc Jaffe and I just turned in a manuscript to Random House-Vintage with working title “The Longest Trail: Writings on American Indian History, Culture, and Politics.” It’s a Josephy Reader aimed at Intro to Indian Studies students, divided into three sections: Putting Indians Into American History; Indians and the Natural World; and The Miracle of Indian Survival. We’re working on maps, illustrations, and permissions right now.

At the Josephy Library, I write a blog, guide visitors, recruit speakers, and host a brown bag lunch program at which I sometimes show Library “stuff,” sometimes feature another speaker. We’d like to start offering fellowships to writers and artists, some special for Indian writers and artists.

And I am raising two grandkids, a 13-year-old boy and 14-year-old girl. That’s a full-time job!

EB: You founded the Fishtrap writing center with a inaugural conference on “Western Writing, Eastern Publishing.” I’ve often heard writers—and linguists for that matter—talk about the west being ignored by scholars and publishers. Has that changed much since the founding of Fishtrap?

RW: At the first Fishtrap Gathering, in summer of 1988, our theme was Western Writers, Eastern Publishers. Josephy said that the NYT sent him the wrong books by the wrong authors to review, so we tried to bridge that gap. He brought along Naomi Bliven from the New Yorker, a big name agent, and publisher Marc Jaffe, who became a regular and is now editing the Josephy book with me. Some years later I introduced a couple of writers from Montana in the crowd, and mentioned that one of them had a piece in the front section of the New Yorker–and her husband had a long essay in the New Yorker on long haul truckers. “The whole damned New Yorker is written out of Montana anymore,” someone muttered.

So yes, things have changed. Probably more of Wallace Stegner’s books are in print now than were kept in print when he was alive. (I understand Stegner’s books would go out of print between books while he was one of the best known “Western writers.”)

EB: What do you consider you greatest accomplishments as director of Fishtrap?

RW: I always thought that Fishtrap was a window on the world for the people who live in rural Eastern Oregon, and a window to us for the people from other places–urban and suburban Oregon, the larger Pacific Northwest, and the world, really. People come here and meet Janie Tippet and visit her farm–and six of them, all ladies, from Boise, Portland, Sun Valley, Washington, etc. get together in someone’s backyard to hike and write for a week every summer. They call themselves the Syringa Sisters, and have been doing that for over a decade.

That–and all of the wonderful friendships that have been formed over the last 25 years. And I wouldn’t be on the board at Oregon Humanities without it. So personally–and for all the others who have come to enjoy, met kindred spirits and formed writing groups in their home towns, maybe even met a publisher or a writer friend who told them about another gig or recommended them for a Lannan Fellowship–it has been a great joy.

EB: Who are some of the eastern Oregon writers, past and present, that we should be paying attention to?

RW: Wow! Read Pam Steele’s relatively new Greasewood Creek for a look at contemporary eastern Oregon infused with its Indian past and w virginia immigrants. Kim Stafford, and his father Bill before him, have had a lot to say about eastern Oregon. Bette Husted is from Idaho, lived and taught high school in Joseph and is now in Pendleton. Her Living on Stolen Ground is about Idaho, but could be Oregon. Molly Gloss has a fictional eastern Oregon county that is bits of Umatilla, Wallowa, Union, etc. Her Jump Off Creek was an instant classic–a woman homesteader! and Hearts of Horses follows with more settlers and cowboys and horses… Bill Kittredge’s Hole in the Sky is a classic southeast Oregon memoir–his family had the biggest “outfit” in the country, and Bill gave it up to write. H.L Davis won the Pulitzer for Honey in the Horn in the 30s. James Welch wrote Montana, but his Indian stories could be anywhere in the West, and I think his widow, Lois, is from Portland. One can’t forget Liz Woody of Warm Springs, and Craig Lesley, who lived and wrote among Indians. And Jarold Ramsey, the poet, who compiled one of the first batches of Coyote stories and has moved back to Madras after a teaching career in New York. And when you have a day or three, pick up Josephy’s Nez Perce and Opening of the Northwest, still the definitive work on that tribe and time .And don’t forget Oregon Humanities’ second edition of First Oregonians… Liz Woody has a long nice piece, and there are stories from all the Oregon tribes.

EB: What are some must-sees for any visitor to Joseph?

RW: You will most likely come in from La Grande, so you will be following the Wallowa River and traveling along a fairly narrow valley that holds the four towns: Wallowa, Lostine, Enterprise, and Joseph. Each has something special: the Wallowa Band Nez Perce Homeland Project in Wallowa; Crows Store, the Lostine Tavern, and Lostine Canyon, where Justice William O Douglas played and wrote; Enterprise has a fine courthouse made of local stone–and Terminal Gravity Brewery; and then Joseph, with galleries, a nice local museum, Mutiny Brew Pub, and Stein’s Distillery. And the new Josephy Center for Arts and Culture, where you will find me and the Library.

The Wallowa Mountains are grand, but the canyon country is unique. Make the 35 mile drive to Imnaha. And of course go to Wallowa Lake, stop at the Joseph Grave site, read the marker about the Wallowa Lake Moraines–geological “textbook”–and take a slow drive around the glacier carved teardrop to lake’s headwaters. this week they are full of “redfish,” landlocked salmon called “kokanee.” In summer, you can make a grand tour from Joseph to the Imnaha, over the top–where there is a fine Hells Canyon overlook–to Halfway and back to Baker City. The Harley riders have found this loop, so be careful.

You can also make a loop from Joseph, back to Enterprise and then to Lewiston, Idaho and back along the Snake River on the Washington side to Walla Walla. Some people don’t like the “Rattlesnake Grade” between here and Lewiston, and a friend of mine says there would be more traffic on it if we sold tickets. There is an overlook at Joseph Canyon, supposed birth place of Chief Joseph.And a great piece of pie at the “Oasis” where the highway crosses the Grande Ronde River. The Grande Ronde is legendary steelhead water too.

So a little bit of something for everyone here. It just takes you a while to reach us. I figure five and a half hours from Portland. But i told the Arts Commission 25 years ago that we are the geographic center of the Pacific Northwest: 5 1/2 from Portland; 7 from Seattle; 6 + from Missoula; 4 from Spokane; 4 1/2 from Boise. Some of these places are significantly closer if you have your own small plane. No commercial strip here!

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