An Interview with Heather Arndt Anderson

Portland-based Heather Arndt Anderson is the author of Breakfast: A History (Baltimore: Rowman & Littlefield Studies in Food and Gastronomy, 2013) and wrote the Pacific Northwest chapter in the 4-volume Food Cultures of the World Encyclopedia (Westport, CT: Greenwood Press, 2011). Her recipes have been published in the cookbook One Big Table: 600 Recipes from the Nation’s Best Home Cooks, Farmers, Fishermen, Pit-Masters, and Chefs, and she is a contributing writer to the magazines The Farmer General and Remedy Quarterly.

You can follow her blog at Voodooandsauce.com.

EB: Your book is part of the “meals series” by Alta Mira Press. What’s the meals series?

HA: It is exactly what it sounds like: a series of single-topic books about the meals. The series includes the Big Three (Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner), but will also feature Picnic, Brunch and Barbecue. Obviously, Breakfast is the most important meal so it came first.

EB: In you book you mention that breakfast was stigmatized for quite some time. Why was that?

HA: Breakfast had been attached to a form of gluttony identified by the 13th-century Dominican priest Thomas Aquinas. He attributed the meal to praepropere, or “eating too soon.” It was assumed that if one needed to eat breakfast, one likely had other lusty appetites as well. In the medieval era, it was understood that the only people who needed to eat breakfast were children, the elderly and infirm, or worse: the laboring poor.

EB: What was the importance of the industrial revolution in changing the way we ate—and understood—breakfast?

HA: For the first time, breakfast foods could be eaten far from their point of origin. Goods could be shipped by train after the Transcontinental Railroad was built, making foods that had previously been only enjoyed by the wealthiest members of society available to everyone. The rising middle class had disposable money for things like coffee and tea, and technological advances in the kitchen meant that average housewives could accomplish foods like toast and waffles without kitchen staff.

EB: Breakfast seems to be done differently by different cultures and different subcultures. What are some of the extremes?

HA: I think the kaiseki breakfasts of Japan riokan (rural inns) are some of the most intricate meals one could ever experience. Imagine an endless parade of tiny, immaculate dishes that perfectly exemplify the region and season. Because they work so hard, the Amish of Pennsylvania enjoy a similarly staggering array of foods, but the volume is much greater: fried eggs and potatoes, biscuits with sausage gravy, apple pie, oatmeal, pancakes, homemade sausage and bacon, liverwurst (among other pork by-products), all washed down with coffee.

EB: Breakfast has always seemed to me to be associated with conversation—even more so that dinner. Did you find that also?

HA: I find the opposite true, actually. Nothing has yet happened in the day to talk about. And I usually eat my breakfast alone, after my husband and son are gone for the day.

EB: Were fast food breakfasts a relatively recent invention?

HA: Not really; breakfast sandwiches were popular in the mid-1800s in England. Workers in London would grab a ’bacon- or sausage-filled bread roll called a ‘bap’ on the way to work, and stalls even sold coffee. You’d stand there, drink you coffee, and then hand the mug back to the stall owner.

EB: You have a chapter on the art and culture. How is breakfast part of popular culture?

HA: Breakfast is used metaphorically in a number of ways, but most of these pertain to normalcy. Breakfast is the normalcy from which a character can deviate, or it can be used to set the stage for an episode’s conflict (which is conveniently resolved at the dinner table). Because it’s the first meal of the day it can easily be used to convey a sense of new beginnings. The choices a character makes at breakfast are used to define that character’s very being: a man’s red-blooded simplicity is exemplified by his selection of bacon and eggs with black coffee, as is a woman’s daintiness by her toast and grapefruit half. Breakfast has also been used to signify sexual encounters; in the early days of film and television, when censorship was stronger, a breakfast scene could be a coy intimation that a couple had been intimate the night before.

EB: What’s the history of brunch? Or is that a separate book?

HA: That’s a separate book! Although the history isn’t as long, it features more booze, so there’s that.

EB: Thanks for talking with us.

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An Interview with Peter Laufer

Peter Laufer is a journalist, broadcaster and documentary filmmaker and he holds the James Wallace Chair in Journalism at the University of Oregon. He is the author of 20 books on such topics as the media, immigration, natural history, and crime. He has a Master’s Degree from the American University in Washington, DC, and a Ph.D. in Cultural Studies from Leeds Metropolitan in England.

Laufer was a correspondent for NBC News and the charter anchor of the radio program “National Geographic World Talk,” a nationally-syndicated show he created.

We sat down to talk about his most recent book: The Elusive State of Jefferson: A Journey through the 51st State, available from Globe Pequot Press.

EB: What got you interested in the State of Jefferson?

PL: Borders, identity and migration fascinate me. After I finished a book that focused on California’s southern border, it occurred to me that I should look at the less spotlighted northern border. Once I started the preliminary research I realized that the so-called State of Jefferson movement not only is intrinsically intriguing, it serves as a metaphor for the ghastly schisms we Americans are suffering nationwide. The Elusive State of Jefferson offers a grand adventure combined with a cautionary tale.

EB: You’ve told the story as a narrative of your research. Any particular reason you chose that style?

PL: I fancy myself a storyteller. I want the reader to come along with me as I travel the Jefferson backroads. I want the reader to meet the strange-but-true characters I meet during my journey. And I want the reader to consider the broader lessons of Jefferson for all of us. For these goals a narrative approach seems most alluring.

EB: Mayor Gilbert Gable died on Dec. 5, 1941—right after the initial vote to secede and right before the attack at Pearl Harbor. Would things have turned out differently if he’d lived?

PL: Not for the Jefferson movement. Even without the Pearl Harbor attack, the publicity stunt that was 1941’s Jefferson (just as today’s resurgence is a publicity stunt) had already run its course. I wager PR expert Gable would have been the first to recognize that the gambit served its purpose. The next act for him and Jefferson would have been to parlay the notoriety into productive engagement with Salem and Sacramento.

EB: How much of the 1941 secession—the roadblocks, the Proclamation of Independence, etc.–were just publicity stunts?

PL: 100 percent.

EB: What was the appeal of the story nationally? The San Francisco Chronicle coverage won a Pulitzer! And you mention that the secession vote made the front page of the New York Times in 1941.

PL: The appeal of the story nationally was diversion and entertainment – both admirable goals. As is the case today, the nation was weary of war talk. We Americans love underdogs and seemingly independent Wild West characters. The Jefferson fairytale, then and now, suggested a quick fix for frustrations. Trouble for those who took it too seriously – then and now – is that both politically and financially there is no realistic case for Jefferson, as I explain in detail in the book. There never will be a State of Jefferson.

EB: Was there a specific issue that got people so riled up in 1941?

PL: Bad roads and irritation with feeling ignored by the rest of Oregon and California.

EB: Much of the book describes present day secessionists. In early September, in fact, the Siskiyou County Board of Supervisors voted 4-1 to secede. Are the issues different now that they were in 1941?

PL: Modoc County followed a few weeks later. They both need to look at their budgets. More tax dollars come up from Sacramento to provide these rural counties with needed social services than they send south. What are the issues? The rebels today feel their individual rights are being trampled by urbanites. They should read their Constitutions.

EB: What do you see as the future of these counties in southern Oregon and northern California?

PL: Tourism. Information industries. Timber and mining are yesterday’s news. As I suggest in the book, if the Jefferson proponents really think they can go it alone they should change the name of their nascent state to Garbo. The actress was famous for wanting to be left alone. Jefferson, on the other hand, saw the advantages of working together. (That is if they mean Thomas. If they mean Jefferson Davis, that’s another story.)

EB: You delve into the culture of the State of Jefferson. What sort of a cultural identity has evolved? Are there differences between the California parts of Jefferson and the Oregon parts?

PL: An unfortunately fractured cultural identity has evolved with competing interests at odds over water, land use, timber, fishing, tribal rights and the rule of law. Perhaps that’s why the escapism of the statehood movement charade is so appealing.

EB: Thanks for talking with us.

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An Interview with Kimberly Jensen

Kimberly Jensen is professor of History and Gender Studies at Western Oregon University where she teaches courses in United States history, the history of health, medicine and gender, and autobiography, biography and memoir in American history. Jensen has a Ph.D. from the University of Iowa and has published three books and several scholarly articles. Her latest book is Oregon’s Doctor to the World: Esther Pohl Lovejoy and a Life in Activism, published by the University of Washington Press. It’s the biography of the Oregon doctor who became a world-renowned public health activist and leader in medical relief efforts.

Kimberly Jensen is also the author of Mobilizing Minerva: American Women in the First World War (Urbana: University of Illinois Press, 2008) and, with Erika Kuhlman, co-editor of Women and Transnational Activism in Historical Perspective (Leiden: Republic of Letters, 2010).

We sat down to talk about Oregon’s Doctor to the World.

EB: I had not heard of Esther Pohl Lovejoy. But reading your book I see that she’s as important a figure as Jane Addams in Chicago. Could you tell our readers a little bit about her?

KJ: She was born in 1869 in the logging community of Seabeck, Washington Territory and moved with her family to Portland in 1882. A daughter of a laboring family, she worked her way through the University of Oregon Medical Department (now OHSU) by clerking in department stores and in 1894 was the second woman to graduate from the medical school. She was active in the Oregon woman suffrage movement and held appointed office as Portland’s city health officer from 1907 to 1909, the first woman to hold such a post in a major U.S. city. She helped to organize U.S. medical women for service in France in the First World War in 1917-1918 and found women doctors from other nations there who shared many of her experiences and concerns for women. As a result, Lovejoy was an organizer and the first president of the Medical Women’s International Association in 1919 to bring medical women together for effective action. She also chaired the international medical humanitarian relief organization the American Women’s Hospitals from 1919 until shortly before her death in 1967. The AWH was a precursor to groups like Doctors Without Borders but with a focus on supporting and empowering women. Both the MWIA and the AWH continue today. Lovejoy was the first woman in Oregon to campaign in a general election for U.S. Congress, in Oregon’s Third District in 1920. She was the author of four books, including the comprehensive history Women Doctors of the World published by MacMillan in 1957.

EB: How did you get interested in Lovejoy’s life and career?

KJ: My first book, Mobilizing Minerva: American Women in the First World War, addressed three groups of women – doctors, nurses, and women-at-arms – who claimed a more complete female citizenship through wartime service and who also challenged violence against women in wartime and in the institution of the military. Esther Lovejoy was a small but significant part of that study because of her medical work in France during the war and as a leader among women physicians. By the time I was completing that project I had moved to Oregon to teach, and I learned that Lovejoy’s papers had been donated to the Historical Collections & Archives at the Oregon Health & Science University not long before. I hoped that there might be enough material for a biography, for by that time I knew enough about her that I was eager to know more about what shaped her activism and what she did before and after the First World War. The strength of that collection at OHSU, combined with many other archival collections and significant coverage of her life and work in newspapers and medical journals, led me on a research and writing journey that culminated in her biography.

EB: Esther Pohl Lovejoy lived to be almost 100—she was born in 1869 and died in 1967—and she worked all over the world. What was involved in researching someone with such a long life and wide public impact?

KJ: It was definitely a long-term project. I needed to know about Lovejoy’s birthplace in the logging community of Seabeck, Washington Territory, about Portland from the 1890s to the 1920s, medical women’s history, the history of woman suffrage and women’s rights movements, medical humanitarian relief, transnational women’s activism, the First and Second World Wars, women office holders and candidates for office, women’s organizations, and international politics. Research is a process of discovery that, like any journey, requires advance preparation, travel, stamina, and sharing what one has learned. I traveled from archives in Oregon and Washington to Philadelphia, Washington, D.C., and London and visited the Paris settlement house where she lived and worked during the First World War. Historians cannot make their journey without archivists who welcome us and suggest new leads and sources that we did not know existed. They even celebrate with us when we make those incredible discoveries. I did my work as historic newspapers began to be digitized, but I conducted much of it sitting in front of a microfilm reader finding the hidden treasures in the midst of pages and pages of other materials.

EB: What do you think shaped her views about health and social justice?

KJ: Lovejoy’s experiences as a physician and public health activist and city health officer in Portland demonstrated that health depended on access to health care, but also to education, a living wage, safe housing, clean milk and pure food, and freedom from violence. Poverty and inequality caused disease just as much as physical illness. She believed that the state and citizens were partners in creating civic health. This was the foundation for her work for votes for women because she knew that women needed the power of the vote to enact policies for healthy communities. When she was city health officer and the bubonic plague threatened Portland in 1907-1908 the male city council and business community did not hesitate to provide funding for prevention to save Portland’s economy. That worked and there were no cases of plague in Portland. But at the same time voteless women campaigning for pure milk in the city when children were dying (including her own son Freddie in 1908) could not get political leaders to act for change. This convinced her that women needed to be voters, office holders, and policy makers to shape healthy and just communities. Lovejoy worked with African American clubwomen in Portland and crossed other lines of class and ethnicity in her suffrage work. She continued this coalition building across groups in her work abroad. In her presidential address to the Medical Women’s International Association in 1922 she expanded the idea of civic health she had forged in her Portland years to embrace a program of international health. This she defined as the prevention of disease by ending war and social and economic inequalities across the globe. This was a big plan, but she believed that women were at the center of it and could achieve it by working together and for one another.

EB: You describe her as a believer in feminist, transnational organization and in constructive resistance. What was involved in those beliefs? Could you unpack them just a bit?

KJ: In 1926 a journalist described Lovejoy’s activism as constructive resistance and Lovejoy used this phrase to describe her work. She defined constructive resistance as the ability to take effective action against unjust power – working for votes for women, challenging city council members to take action to make Portland a safe and healthy city for all its residents, campaigning on a reform ticket for congress, supporting refugees through medical humanitarian relief, organizing women globally for international health and an end to war. She identified and resisted unjust power by taking constructive action. Her feminist transnational activism was based on the view that women working together above and across national boundaries could do things that nation states or international organizations could not do for women’s health, empowerment, and equality. And in turn that would make all communities safer and healthier and prevent conflict, war, and disease.

EB: The description of the election of 1920 was really interesting to me. Were the politics of that time just as contentious as today’s?

KJ: Oh yes! The 1920 election was the first national election after the World War. Supporters of progressive reform and peace grappled with conservative and reactionary groups who feared that activism by workers, women, and Americans of color to gain equality would unleash a socialist revolution in the United States. Lovejoy received the endorsement of the Democratic, Progressive, Labor, and Prohibition parties for her campaign for U.S. Congress in Oregon’s Third District that year. Her opponent was C.N. McArthur, the conservative Republican incumbent. Members of the Lovejoy for Congress Club emphasized that this was a battle between the people and corporate interests. They named McArthur a tool of those interests and an ineffective MAWSH (Might as Well Stay Home) member of congress in their campaign ads. The social media of their day included vivid newspaper advertisements, campaign cards by the tens of thousands, and banners and signs across the streets and in storefronts of the district. As the election approached Lovejoy was making six speeches a day to workers on their lunch hour, to women’s groups including African American clubwomen, and to other labor, civic, and political organizations. She had just published her first book, The House of the Good Neighbor, about her experiences in wartime France with a call for peace and transnational cooperation. Her opponents convinced some managers to remove it from shelves in local bookstores and department store displays, calling it Bolshevik propaganda. Lovejoy was a tireless campaigner who understood the importance of coalition building and popular media to win elections, something she had learned in her votes for women work. She garnered an impressive 44 percent of the vote when the election was generally a Republican landslide across the nation.

EB: Lovejoy gave a speech in called “woman’s big job.” What did she mean by that?

KJ: She gave the radio speech in 1928, the year that the United States and France signed the Kellogg-Briand Pact, or the Pact of Paris, that renounced the use of war to resolve conflict, an agreement eventually signed by fifty other nations. Lovejoy believed that women’s social and cultural experiences led them to value peace and health in their communities and across the globe. After the horrors of the First World War more women had achieved the vote and held political office, and they were now working to end war. She told her listeners: “the passion for permanent peace moving the world at the present time is due, in large measure, to the collective moral influence of women in politics . . . For ten years, in pulpits, women’s clubs, conferences, and elsewhere, the talking, writing, and general agitation necessary to produce the Pact of Paris has been going on in every city, town, and hamlet throughout the civilized world. Why work the churn after the butter has come?” (Oregon’s Doctor to the World, 190-91). She also maintained that in order to keep world peace women had a responsibility to use their civic power to maintain social justice – fostering healthy communities and an end to poverty, supporting education and equality.

EB: Was Lovejoy representative of women who came of age in the Progressive Era?

KJ: The Progressive Era was a time of many reform movements and a variety of challenges to the maturing industrial state and there was a tension between social reform and social control. So there were many strands of Progressivism. I think she was representative of many women who wanted to change their communities for the better and worked with others to make that happen. Knowing more about Lovejoy and her work contributes to placing Portland on the map as a key Progressive Era city. Lovejoy also took her local knowledge and experience to a transnational arena for public health after 1920, something that other women did for woman suffrage, labor, and health activism. If we only keep our focus on the United States, we miss this broader movement for progressive reform after the First World War.

EB: If she were alive today, what do you suppose she would be doing?

KJ: I think she would be working with a Non-Governmental Organization that empowers women to build coalitions to help one another achieve social justice and international health. Her goals have been adopted by many organizations including the United Nations Conferences on Women. When Lovejoy lost the 1920 Oregon congressional election she told supporters she would like to run for office again, but her transnational organizing took precedence thereafter. Perhaps she would consider a run for the White House if she were alive today.

EB: You teach memoir and autobiographical writing. What did you think of Lovejoy’s as a writer?

KJ: Lovejoy first developed her communication skills as a public speaker in the woman suffrage movement, as Portland city health officer, and as a congressional candidate. She learned to tell pithy and humorous stories to get the attention of her audience, to provide specific data to educate her listeners and convince them to act, and to stay on point and make her case quickly. She honed these skills in newspaper articles, letters to newspaper editors, interviews and reports. Then she moved to book-length histories and an unpublished autobiography. Her voice and style were remarkably constant across these different forms of expression. She used humor, memorable stories that championed the underdog, and irony to direct challenges to those in power and toward institutions and bureaucracies that limited women’s equality.

EB: Thanks for talking with us.

KJ: You’re very welcome. Thank you for the invitation.

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An Interview with Mike Madrid


San Franciscan Mike Madrid is former advertising executive, the author of The Supergirls: Fashion, Feminism, Fantasy, and the History of Comic Book Heroines, which explored comic superheroines like wonder Woman, Batwoman, Elektra, Storm and the She-Hulk, and Madrid is a life-long comics fan and student of popular culture and was featured in the documentary “Wonder Women! The Untold Story of American Superheroines.” His latest book, Divas, Dames & Daredevils: Lost Heroines of Golden Age Comics, brings back heroines like Madame Strange, Lady Satan, Betty Bates–Lady at Law, Maureen Marine, Marga the Panther Woman, Spider Queen and Spider Widow, reproducing dozens of actual stories and adding his own insightful commentary. The book was recently released from Exterminating Angel Press.

Check out Mike Madrid’s work at heaven4heroes.com. And if you are in the Portland area on October 21, he’ll be appearing at Powell’s Books on Hawthorne at 7:30 PM. We recently sat down for an interview.

EB: I was fascinated to learn of some of these superheroines, many of whom are quite unusual: Pussy Katnip, for example, seems to live in an alternate reality of anthropomorphized animals. Mother Hubbard is an old woman who fights crime. Any ideas why the range of comics was so diverse?

MM: Most of the stories features in Divas, Dames & Daredevils come from the very early years of comic books, when creators were trying out different concepts to see what would attract readers. The medium was so new, so there was an opportunity to experiment with rather wild ideas like an old lady crime fighter. After World War II many of these more unique characters disappeared.

EB: What caused them to be replaced by much more timid characters in the 1960s?

MM: In the mid 50s there were allegations that comics were corrupting young readers. Comic book publishers developed the Comic Code Authority to clean up comics and make them more wholesome. Unfortunately in our society there is idea that sexuality and independence are intertwined. Adventurous female characters were somehow seen as too risqué. So, most 50s and 60s comic books presented readers with a message that a woman’s path in life was to be a wife and mother.

EB: How did you select the heroines and the stories to be included in Divas, Dames, and Daredevils?

MM: I tried to choose strong, unique heroines that most modern comics fans probably wouldn’t have ever heard of. I also wanted to feature female heroes that were different from what we’ve seen in comics over the past 50 years. Many of these women are surprisingly progressive, and that’s something I think a modern audience will find interesting.

EB: Do you see some of these heroines being the antecedents of modern-day heroes and heroines—Spiderman, for example?

MM: Some of the heroines I feature in the book are certainly similar to characters that followed in later years. The Spider Queen wears bracelets that shoot webs much like Spider-Man would use twenty years later. Marga the Panther Woman has razor sharp claws like Wolverine. Sadly the independent spirit that many of these early heroines had would not be seen in again in comics for three decades or more.

EB: How did you get interested in comics history and feminism?

MM: I loved comic books as a kid, and I wanted to learn as much as I could about them. That led me to start checking out books on comic history from my local library. This was in the early 70s, when Women’s Lib was making big headlines. I may not have known exactly what feminism was at a young age, but I know I didn’t understand why women in comics were not allowed to be as strong as men.

EB: It seems to me, anecdotally at least, that more women and girls are reading and creating comics today than when I was growing up. What do you think?


MM:I think that’s the perception, but not necessarily the reality. In Divas, Dames & Daredevils I use excerpts from letters written by female comic book readers in the 1940s. They were just as opinionated and vocal as today’s female comic book fans are. I think nowadays there is less of a stigma about females reading comic books, so they can be more open about it. But female comic book fans have always been there.

EB: If you were going to invent a superheroine, who would she be?

MM: I don’t have a specific idea of what powers she would have, but as far as personality she would be a woman who was smart, fearless, and had a good sense of humor. For me that’s a winning combination.

EB: What’s your next project?

MM: I’m interested in doing a companion book to Divas, Dames & Daredevils focusing on evil characters. And we’re looking at coming out with some eBook collections of more stories of these early comic book heroines from Exterminating Angel Press.

EB: Some of the artists were women themselves: Barbara Hall, Fran Hopper, and Claire Moe—what have you learned about them?

MM: There were a number of female artists working during 1940s. At that time there were more opportunities for these women because many male artists were fighting in WWII. Unfortunately those opportunities dried up when the men returned home. My friend Trina Robbins is the expert on women artists in comic books. Anyone interested in learning more on this subject should check her book Pretty In Ink: North American Women Cartoonists 1896-2013.

EB: What are the best research sources for someone interested in comics history?

MM: There is a wealth of information on comic book history available now, from books and websites to documentary films and college courses. Anyone interested in the subject just needs to pick a place to start. Invariably that will lead to more information sources, which is part of the fun.

EB: What should the history of comics do, in your opinion?

MM: A good comic book history should give the reader information, but also inspire that reader to want to learn more. That is what the books that I read growing up did for me. I also think a good history should look beyond comics to see how cultural factors shaped the medium throughout various eras.

EB: You are also the creative director at Exterminating Angel Press. What does that involve?

MM: I’m responsible for the visual design and image of the Exterminating Angel Press books. It’s been a fun creative journey for me developing and evolving the look of the press over the past four years.

EB: Thanks for talking with us?

MM: It’s been my pleasure. Thank you.

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